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Robin Edgar’s Fatal Attraction for UU Ministers

In Uncategorized on October 20, 2012 at 9:58 am

After Robin Edgar’s latest ‘Emerson Avenger’ post, repeating once again his overblown ‘charges’ against Reverend Cynthia Cain, we can just picture him like Glenn Close’s famous character:

‘I’m not going to be IGNO-O-O-ORED, UUs!!!’

And just like Michael Douglas, we’re left trying to explain to him: ‘You just don’t get it, do you?’

Sadly, no.  Robin Edgar does not ‘get’ how his outlandish behaviour constitutes harassment, or how it differs from the conduct of the UU ministers he obsessively fixates upon.

Cynthia Cain posted a comment on her own blog about the mean-spirited words and actions of certain US Republican leaders.  She pretty much left it at that.

Robin Edgar, on the other hand, notoriously doesn’t ‘leave it at that’ when he targets you.  No, a single blog post is not enough – he must blog about you constantly.  And comment about you on other blogs and Internet forums constantly.  And barrage you with emails constantly.  And, just for good measure, make a picket sign referring to you, and use it in his ‘peaceful public protests’ constantly.

Do you now see why we are concerned about how far he might be willing to go?  Anybody this obsessed, and who feels ignored, to the point of ruining his own life on a hopeless crusade to ruin others, will not stop merely at verbal abuse and harassment.

Most people would have let go and moved on long ago.  But not when they are as obsessive, self-centered, rage-filled and ‘entitled’ as Robin Edgar.  He’s not going to be ignored.

Perhaps, then, we are doing a service.  By not ignoring him, by warning UUs and others about the potential danger of his warped mindset and behaviour, we are diverting him away from a potential escalation to violence.

We can only hope, just as we hope that he will finally get the help he needs.

‘I know Robin Edgar…’

In Uncategorized on February 13, 2012 at 2:13 am

We had received this comment a couple of months ago, but hesitated to post it until we made some effort to check it out as best as we can.  Even so, we would not be surprised if Robin Edgar goes off on another one of his tirades, accusing us of ‘more moronic Big Fat U*U BS.’

Well, he can make all the accusations he wants.  Read the comment for yourselves, and decide:

Came across your website and read thru it. I know Robin Edgar from years before, none of this surprises me or others I know who know about him. I’m not Unitarian, or any religion for that matter, but I lived with him in a boarding house here in Montreal. He can come across as nice enough, but as you say he is indeed obsessive. Cameras, for example. He can’t just tell you he took a picture, he has to describe in detail exactly what camera he is using, even his technical opinion, showing off what a great photographer he thinks he is.

I was around when he had his revelation, and like everything else he gets fixed on, he could not stop talking about it. Was convinced he could start his own religious movement around total eclipses, that the Unitarians would be a good place to start. Then things started falling apart, and the rest you know.

You also got right how he handles criticism or disagreement. If you ever cross him, he goes halfcocked about you being crazy or stupid or immoral. It’s hot and cold with him, you are either totally with him or you must be totally against him. He keeps losing friends, either driving them away or going all ballistic on him, then he’ll deny saying what he said or how he yells at people, then when he’s cornered and shown yes he said X Y Z or lost his cool, he goes on justifying it because nothing is ever his fault. Also takes a lot of things the wrong way, sometimes twists it around in really bizarre ways.

Robin has driven away more friends than anyone I know, and he is downright oblivious to his own problems.  People have suggested he see someone, get counseling or learn how to deal better with people. Like you said, that is the worst, he will explode like an atom bomb, how dare anyone say he has any kind of problem. Just like before, running hot and cold, he can only think crazy or sane, and if you are crazy he sees it as a moral failing.

The way Robin behaves gets him in so much trouble, he has a very hard time holding down a job or living in any one place long enough. The few people he can still manage to relate with try not to bring up the Unitarian thing, or just humour him. The alternative of going thru the same old routine – blow up, attack people, deny he did it, be shown he did, then hear him justify everything he just denied – is not worth it for some, but most can only handle that for so long. The only thing unusual is how long he has obsessed with the Unitarians, I think because he figures they are the most convenient target so he can keep denying and avoiding his own problems.

Robin Edgar, we know you read this blog.  Rest assured, we did take considerable steps to have some background checked before deciding to post this.  You can continue to deny and lash out at us, but this is not a ‘Big Fat U*U’ problem.  This is your problem, and it is more obvious to those around you than you realize.  We have said it before, we will say it again, as apparently so many have said to you before: You need professional help.  Stop avoiding, denying, blaming and attacking.

From the Boston Area: “He’s a Laughingstock”

In Uncategorized on August 25, 2011 at 1:47 am

We received this comment recently from a reader in the Boston area:

I found your site after hearing about “The Emerson Avenger” from some guys at a cafe. We were all using laptops and pads through the cafe’s free WiFi, and they were all laughing at something. One of them, a friend of mine from school, showed me the website. When they first stumbled on it, they were confused how some of his posts could be even remotely related to his campaign against “injustices, abuses and hypocrisy.” They asked him why, and his response was unbelievable – insulting, presumptuous, and then a second post boasting about getting the last word. So another guy posted a response, and the blogger went on another rant. He is definitely obsessed and unhinged, thinking anyone who questions or criticizes him MUST be a “U*U” and an idiot. I feel so sorry for this guy, he’s wasted so much of his time and life on this, and what has he got to show for it. He’s a laughinstock, that’s all he’s succeeded in doing. None of the guys in the cafe are Unitarians (neither am I) or even interested in religion, but they just find his blog so ridiculous and wacked out. I can see why you’ve written this blog in response, because he needs to learn – if he ever can – that he’s not accomplishing a damned thing, he’s just proving the people who call him a nut that they’re right. It’s so pitiful, really.

How sadly true. Not much we can improve on this.

Is He Serious??

In Uncategorized on June 4, 2011 at 12:31 pm

One of Robin Edgar’s most blatant displays of hypocrisy is when he posts outrageous or ridiculous statements, and then tries to counter any criticism or questions regarding said same by accusing those who criticise him of not understanding that his post was intended as ‘sarcasm’ or ‘parody’.

So we have to wonder if that is what he will claim about his most recent post, where he is now practically gloating over the tornado damage done on the First Church of Monson, Massachusetts, ‘wondering’ whether this was a sign that Unitarian Universalists were ‘reaping the whirlwind’.

This is about as outrageous as Fred Phelps claiming that the death of US soldiers is a sign of God’s disapproval of homosexuality.  Or how about Jerry Falwell blaming the 9/11 attacks on pagans, abortionists, feminists, gays and lesbians, the ACLU and People for the American Way.  Let’s also not forget the Reverend Thomas Prince, who preached in1755 that the proliferation of lightning rods in Boston had caused God’s wrath to be made manifest with a marked increase in earthquakes.

Such incredulous statements usually cause sensible people of any religion to wonder: ‘Is this guy serious?’  Well, we’ve wondered that about Robin Edgar for some time – and now, even more so.  If he seriously believes that the tragedy of the Monson tornado is a sign of divine wrath against UUs, we have to wonder just how much his grasp on reality is slipping.  Of course, he can always fall back on the old canard of claiming ‘sarcasm’ and ‘parody’.  But that must make us wonder if anything this man says can be taken serious.  Not to mention just how increasingly mean-spirited he has become, to exploit this sad episode simply to draw attention to himself and his obsessive grudge.

When All Else Fails,…

In Uncategorized on May 14, 2011 at 1:44 pm

Once again, Robin Edgar has nothing new to report or discuss.  So once again, he rehashes the same old tired complaints and accusations.  ‘I don’t like how these people treat me! Forget how I treat them – they should always be extra-super-nice to meeeee!  And if they don’t, I’m gonna tell on them!!!’

Poor baby…

His latest rant is to single out three Unitarian Universalist churches for ‘inhuman’ treatment of others.  Of course, he doesn’t specify what exactly these churches did; in the case of two of them, we have to wonder if he has even visisted them.  (Not that we are encouraging him to do so, considering what a ‘visit’ from Robin Edgar usually means!)  Let us take a closer look, shall we?

Unitarian Church of Montreal – The central target for Robin Edgar’s endless rage.  Their crime?  They would not kowtow to his increasing demands, and they refused to put up with his childish, outrageous behaviour.  They were, in fact quite patient with him, having suspended his membership twice before finally terminating his association with the church. Not to mention enduring his endless picketing and lashing out.

First Parish in Norwell – The only reason we can think that this church is a target is that its minister, Reverend Victoria Weinstein, has been in Robin Edgar’s crosshairs for years now, searching for even the flimsiest excuse to lash out against her yet again. So why attack the congregation? Apparently, it’s based on a quote from Reverend Weinstein, supposedly describing some of her parishioners. Forget that it’s taken completely out of context.  After all, the only ‘truth’ Robin Edgar is concerned about is his own narcissistic view that ‘U*Us are all bad bad bad because they won’t agree a hundred percent with me me me!

First Parish Church in Northborough – Now this is a strange one, indeed. Again, the only ‘inhuman’ activity related here are the crimes of Reverend Mack Mitchell, for which he is currently serving a prison sentence. But what of the church itself? Considering that his own parishioners turned him over to the authorities, isn’t that reason to commend them rather than condemn?  Oh, not for Robin Edgar, who so loves the idea of guilt by association to ‘prove’ his tired old assertion that ‘U*Us are bad bad bad!

It is becoming clear that the only purpose for Robin Edgar’s antics is to make UUs look bad, all out of a disturbed ‘need’ for vindication and vengeance. As Dr. Phil McGraw would say, ‘How’s that workin’ for ya?’  Doesn’t seem to be.  He’s gotten nowhere with persuading anybody in the UU movement to follow him, and his ideas for interfaith celebration have since petered out.

As we’ve pointed out before, doing the same thing over and over, with nothing to show for it, cannot be healthy.  You need professional help, Mister Edgar – and we don’t mean a public relations firm.  You need to see a qualified psychiatristnot somebody with a degree who will go along with what you think you want.  Please get the help you need, and get it now!

Robin Edgar’s “Certificate of Sanity”

In Uncategorized on May 8, 2011 at 2:11 pm

On more than one occasion, Robin Edgar has mentioned getting a “certificate of sanity” from a Montreal doctor, in response to concerns about his psychological state.  Of course, he never provides the actual content of this “certificate”, or even the name of the doctor who issued it.

Some months back, one of our readers mentioned reasons to doubt the veracity of his claim, based on their exchange with a trusted psychiatrist.  We have now received permission from this psychiatrist – who is also a Medical School professor who teaches on legal issues and mental health – to post the following commentary:

I have checked the blog posts of the individual in question, and it is clear to me why his vague references to a “certificate of sanity” are put in quotes and otherwise qualified.

For one thing, “sanity” can have diverse meanings, dependent upon context and the individual using it.  The narrowest definition is that used for establishing whether a person is to be committed to a psychiatric institution against their will, specifically that the individual is not an immediate threat to themselves or others due to some form of mental illness.  More broadly, however, an individual may mean simply that they are “free from mental illness;” such a sweeping negative definition is extremely difficult to ascertain.  The median definition is that the individual in question is able to function in normative social settings.

I think it most telling that Mr. Edgar cannot produce the text of the “certificate” he alleges to have obtained.  For one thing, I cannot see a responsible physician, and especially a general practitioner without specialized psychiatric expertise, providing any sort of affidavit attesting that a patient is free from mental illness.  At best, a medical professional could assert that a patient is either not an immediate danger to himself or others, or is able to function in normative social settings.  This does not, however, dismiss the possibility that the patient is mentally ill in some fashion.  Individuals with obsessionial ideation, mood disorders, personality disorders and even certain delusions are capable of considerable functionality – yet they are still mentally ill.

No attestation of a given patient’s mental health status is of any meaning without a thorough evaluation by a qualified psychiatrist or psychotherapist.  Unless your Mr. Edgar can produce the detailed contents of his alleged “certificate,” and the means by which his status was evaluated, my professional opinion is that his assertions have little to no merit.

So if Robin Edgar truly wants to assure us that he is not mentally ill, then we suggest once again that he follow this advice.  If he feels that his “certificate” is enough, then publish its contents.  Until then, considering his prior history of distorting and even manufacturing evidence, we have no reason to trust his claims.

And What is Your Solution, Robin Edgar?

In Uncategorized on May 5, 2011 at 4:22 am

Seems that, whenever Robin Edgar runs out of ideas, he falls into the same tired old habits.  He finds one Google hit, which fits his incredibly narrow, fixated view that ‘UUs are bad’ for whatever reason he can come up with, then whips it into yet another lengthy rant about how – you guessed it – UUs are bad.

This time, he takes a single post, tracks it to two posts where others complain of negative experiences attending UU churches, and offers it as ‘proof’ that Unitarian Universalists are ‘un-welcoming.’

And does he offer any solution to this problem?  No, he doesn’t.  Which does not surprise us in the least.  It’s hard to get Robin Edgar to offer any practical solutions to any of the problems he complains about.  Considering how often he distorts and exaggerates these problems, and in a few cases manufactures them, we don’t see how he could find any such solutions.

Let’s also take a good look at his ‘evidence.’  One of the posts which he copies and pastes is close to three years old; the other is six years old.  For all he knows, the individual churches in question could have taken a good, hard look at themselves and made changes in how they greeted and interacted with newcomers.  Considering how the UUA has been developing programs over the past few years to help congregations address just these issues, you would think that he would look at the whole timeline and see that UUs are working on solutions to the problem.

Nope.  Robin Edgar needs a reason to complain, so why should he care about the facts?  Why should he do anything more than repeat years-old criticism like it’s yesterday’s news?  More important than that, why doesn’t he even bother with coming up with solutions of his own, instead of rehashing the same obsessive gripes?

At the very least, he could try starting his own independent spiritual community, open to all people, and ‘show ’em how its done,’ as they say.  Since he is listed as a contact for the breakaway American Unitarian Conference, why doesn’t he try starting a fellowship under their auspices?

No, Robin Edgar?

Apparently not.  He is too obsessed with accusing UUs of being ‘unwelcoming’ towards him that he is unable to be welcoming himself.

Not to mention the fact that the Unitarian Church of Montreal did welcome him as a member in 1993.  By 1997, his behaviour and demands had gotten so out of hand that the church’s leadership felt they had to suspend that membership for six months.  He responds with even more outrageous behaviour, both at church events and his picketing outside, not to mention his refusal to accept the written apology he demanded from Reverend Ray Drennan, that the UCM’s membership voted to expel him – after letting him give yet another lengthy, angry and almost incoherent defense of his actions (in which he actually compared the Board’s motion with the Spanish Inquisition, the assassination of John F. Kennedy and ‘ethnic cleansing’).

Robin Edgar was welcomed, and like an obnoxious party guest, he wore out his welcome.  He was told to leave, and told why.  But because he cannot accept that, and because the UUA will not punish the Montreal church as he sees fit, he now sees fit to punish all UUs for not conforming to his demands.

Well, Mister Edgar, if you want Unitarian Universalists to even consider your demands – whatever they may be – then we will repeat our condition for such: Go get professional help!  At the very least, you can dispel all the statements you so hate concerning your mental health.  At best, however, you could finally focus on the real problem here.

Another Robin Edgar?

In Uncategorized on April 6, 2011 at 5:11 am

We received this comment from a reader, and took some time considering whether to post it.  Like the individual who wrote it, we’re not offering any specific diagnosis of Robin Edgar, or anybody who behaves in such a similar manner.  But it is definitely food for thought…

I found your site doing a search on other topics, then later did some more searches and reading.  I did so because my spiritual community has faced someone very much like him.  I am a Quaker, and our local unprogrammed meeting was once disrupted by a woman who came into our midst.  Her second time attending Meeting, one of our members was moved to speak, and she interrupted him as though it were a secular discussion or debate.  The Clerk and another member took her aside to explain why her actions were not appropriate, and her immediate response was to scream at them in anger before storming out.  Later she would apologize, and we welcomed her back amongst us.  She would float in and out of Meeting, sometimes kind and joyful, but many times consumed with rage and pain.  Her spoken testimony became more and more disturbing, and soon we were moved to form a committee to intervene, of which I was called to be a member.  Our motivation was concern for her emotional and spiritual well-being, not just how her behavior was adversely effecting the members of Meeting.  Her response was so extreme, and the effects so trying to all of us, that I and other members of the committee felt compelled to advise her against coming to Meeting in the future.  It was not a happy decision, but when we considered the effects of her presence amongst us, and her recalcitrance as we attempted to show her how her words and actions affected us, we felt there was no other choice open to us.  This was followed by a barrage of angry letters, sometimes threatening, repeatedly accusing us of hypocrisy and abuse (much as Mr. Edgar is now accusing of Unitarians).  She even attempted to contact our Yearly Meeting in an effort to “go over our heads” but after other Friends listened to both sides, they concluded her complaints were (to put it kindly) without merit.  It was not until many years later that we received a letter of apology from her, after she had begun treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder and other related issues.  She is still in our prayers, and we hope as always for healing and reconciliation over time.  I pray this poor man, and your church, finds the same healing spirit.

Our thanks to this friend for sharing this story.  We hope Robin Edgar takes this message to heart.

Unhealthy Obsession Indeed

In Uncategorized on April 3, 2011 at 10:22 am

One of our readers has reported that he has tracked the origin of Robin Edgar’s Internet activity:

the IP listed is Bibliotheque Nationale Du Quebec.

Indeed, this is the provincial library for Quebec, and their website shows that, like other public libraries, they offer free Internet service.  As our reader speculates:

if he’s accessing the internet through the library these days, that might mean he’s now unemployed- which would explain how he has time for all this. And why he’s been extra bitter lately, too.

Now, when most people lose a job, they devote their time to finding a new one.  Instead, Robin Edgar appears to be increasing his lashing out at Unitarian Universalist.  Does he actually believe this will get him gainful employment?

An alternative explanation is that he actually works at the library … and is doing his anti-UU blogging, commenting and web-surfing while on the job.  Not likely, however, as most large employers tend to monitor their personnel’s computer activity these days.

Either way, we have a question for Mister Edgar.   How can you continue to insist that you are not obsessed?  Only an obsessed individual would spend more time online lashing out in anger at so many individuals instead of finding gainful employment and moving on with your life.  Only an obsessed individual would engage in such behaviour while on the clock, placing their employment status in jeopary.

This is not the behaviour of a healthy individual.  You need to move on with your life, sir.  Rather than dwell on the ‘wrongs’ which you constantly allege have been done against you, or claiming to be some righteous crusader while behaving like a rage-filled stalker, the time is long overdue for you to let go.  You say that you are a spiritual man, Mister Edgar.  The great spiritual traditions of the world call for forgiveness of wrongs, whether perceived or real.  Why are you so unable to embrace this virtue?

Get help, Mister Edgar.  We implore you once again.  Putting this campaign of rancor and bitterness above earning a decent wage makes no sense, and cannot lead to anything good for you.

What Would Robin Edgar Have Us Believe?

In Uncategorized on April 3, 2011 at 10:11 am

A careful reading of his ‘Emerson Avenger’ blog would show, first and foremost, that Robin Edgar would want everybody who reads him to follow an outlandish form of black-and-white thinking.

First, Anything bad said about Unitarian Universalists must be true.  So, if one person on an obscure chat list claims that UUs are ‘anti-Christian’, then it must be automatically accepted as true, regardless of the source.  The person could be a diagnosed paranoid, and the claim an example is his or her delusions – it does not matter.  If the saying is about UUs, and it is negative, then Robin Edgar would have us believe that it is true.

Second, Anything bad said about Unitarian Universalists must apply to all Unitarian Universalists.  If a person states that the UUs he or she encountered were ‘anti-Christian’ (and again, there is no need to present facts to bolster the claim – see above) then Robin Edgar believes this should be rightly used to lambaste all of the hundreds of thousands of UUs across the continent.  We could be talking about one individual’s one encounter with one person claiming to be a UU – it does not matter.  Anything negative said about UUs can be used to make all UUs look bad.

Robin Edgar turned his single-minded grudge against one UU minister into a lengthy war of words and outlandish behaviour.  He alienated and frightened the members of his congregation so much, that after a year and a half of exasperating attempts to work with him, they told him to leave.  He has been banned from blogs and online discussion lists for his attacks and insults, not to mention his obsessive need to make any and every conversation about him and how badly he (feels he was) treated.

Robin Edgar would have us believe that his is a righteous cause.  How so?  How is lashing out against Unitarian Universalists who have done nothing to hurt – indeed, nothing at all to you – anything but self-righteous?  How is refusing to forgive and move on, for almost two decades now, in any way healthy or constructive?

Mister Edgar, you need help.  We have said it before, and others have said it, and we will keep saying it until you seek the professional help you need and find a way to move on with your life.