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Robin “Pot” Edgar Calls the Kettle Black

In Uncategorized on January 20, 2013 at 11:08 pm

Once again, Robin Edgar publishes another post with another long, bombastic headline about how he’s been victimised by Unitarian Universalists, and his endless crusade against ‘U*U injustices, abuses and hypocrisy’ (read: not doing what he demands).

His latest post is yet another screed about ‘verbally abusive’ UU ministers.  No specific examples mentioned, but then again, he’s gone on a tear about so many, we’re sure that even he is losing count.

At any rate, Mister Edgar had also sent a comment to this blog.  Considering the content, and his penchant for accusing Unitarian Universalists of ‘hypocrisy’ … well, we shall let our readers decide where he stands:

Oh, nanny nanny boo boo. Having a bad day? Feeling a little insecure about yourself? Talk to your therapist. “RobinEdgarSucks.wordpress.com?” Are you in sixth grade? I just hope to God you’re not Big Fat U*U Ministry. I hope you be annoying you U*Us a lot in the new year. Seems like you U*Us could use it. – TEA

Another Accusation from Robin Edgar

In Uncategorized on January 3, 2013 at 1:07 am

Once again, Robin Edgar has made another list of resolutions on his ‘Emerson Avenger’ blog, all related to his obsessive need to try to bring down Unitarian Universalism for failing to stroke his ego.

The first two are to be expected; he claims that he will ‘hold accountable’ the UUA and their Canadian law firm for their civil actions against his continual harassment and defamation.  How?  Golly, could we see yet more picketing and rage-filled screeds?  After all, the only time he took legal action, with the Quebec Human Rights Tribunal, his complaint was dismissed for lack of merit.  Still, we shouldn’t be surprised if he attempts some sort of counter-suit.

But the most outrageous on his list of resolutions is as follows:

Blog about at least two other well documented cases of Unitarian Universalist clergy or U*U Religious Educators who have actually been charged with, and convicted of, engaging in the despicable crime known as pedophilia.

We have seen this before, with his relentlessly repeating rants about former UU minister Mack Mitchell.  The man was turned in by members of his own congregation, suspended from ministry during legal proceedings, and formally stripped of his ministerial credentials once convicted.  But no, this isn’t good enough for Robin Edgar.  Apparently he wants ‘U*U justice’ to be impossibly swift and sure.  Would it help, Mister Edgar, if the Ministerial Fellowship Committee traveled back in time to undo everything?  Considering his obsessive desire to hold grudges, we wouldn’t be surprised if even that was not good enough for him!

For all we know, the cases he’s talking about could involve people reported to the UUA by active UUs, and acted upon promptly and properly by both UU officials and law enforcement.  It could also be that these are cases from long before the UUA had learned its lesson and implemented better policies for dealing with issues of professional misconduct, and for which the UUA has apologised and made restitution.

But, as we have seen before, nothing the UUA or any UU minister or leader could ever do will ever satisfy him.  His self-defeating efforts are but sad attempts to bring down an organization and a movement devoted to compassion and forgiveness – something which, from what we can tell of his statements and behaviour, he seems very sorely lacking.  It is a shame that a man with such energy must waste so much of it lashing out at a religious community instead of moving on and trying to build something better.  Remember, also, this is a man who has refused to promise to remain non-violent in his so-called quest for ‘justice’.  All we can do, sad to say, is remain vigilant and hopeful that he will not escalate into something much worse.

Robin Edgar’s Rigged Game

In Uncategorized on November 1, 2012 at 8:04 pm

Don’t ever play cards with Robin Edgar.  Because, if he plays the same way he responds to Unitarian Universalists, then he’s bound to rig the deck in his favour.  Always.

If you’re a UU minister, and you post something on your blog which he does not like, then he attacks you.  He’ll even file a ‘formal complaint of clergy misconduct’ (albeit to the wrong people) against you, and demand a response.

If he does not get a response to his misplaced ‘formal complaint’, then he will continually hound and harass the President of the UUA for one (even though the President’s office is not where such complaints are supposed to be delivered)

Well, let us say that you now remove the offending post, for whatever reason.  Still not good enough.  Now you are guilty of ‘memory-holing,’ because in Robin Edgar’s bizarre view of reality, you can never ever make amends for any mistake, and you must be forced to live with your mistakes forever and ever and ever.

The only consistent rule in Robin Edgar’s ‘game’ is an endless refrain borne of a childish temper-tantrum:  I hate UUs!  Big Fat UUs!  Big Fat UUs bad bad bad!  Me me me me good good good!

You can never win with Robin Edgar.  You can’t even break even.  And he’ll never understand why nobody wants to play his game.

Robin Edgar “Hungers” for the Facts

In Uncategorized on October 30, 2012 at 5:32 pm

One of the most ridiculous ways in which Robin Edgar carries on his crusade is to pick one comment by one UU blogger (often out of context) and make it appear to be absolutely true for all Unitarian Universalists everywhere.

Such is his recent appropriation of Reverend Tont Lorentzen’s opinion that UUs ‘suck’ at feeding the hungry.  Mister Edgar would have us believe that this minister will (or should) be subjected to ‘UU bullying’ for his ‘defamation’.

Of course, he doesn’t mention how he has been bullying, harassing and maligning UUs for nearly two decades now, in a personal vendetta of misguided narcissism.

Nor did he even bother to demonstrate that Lorentzen’s opinion is indeed untrue.  A simple websearch (remember those, Mister Edgar) would have revealed the following UU congregations with projects or partnerships on feeding the hungry in various communities:

  • UU Church of Columbus
  • UU Congregation of Monmouth County
  • UU Church in Summit
  • UU Church in Cherry Hill
  • Gloucester UU Church
  • Hope UU Church in Tulsa
  • Magic Valley UU Fellowship
  • UU Congregation in Santa Rosa
  • East Shore UU Church
  • First Parish UU Church in Canton
  • UU Fellowship of Fayetteville
  • UUs of Santa Clarita Valley
  • Cedar Lane UU Church
  • UU Church of Savannah
  • UU Church of Muncie
  • UU Congregation of Shelter Rock
  • UU Church of Rockville
  • UU Congregation of Lakeland
  • Harbor UU Congregation
  • Tennessee Valley UU Church
  • UU Congregation of Hillsboro
  • UU Church of Reading
  • UU Fellowship of Huntington
  • First Parish UU Church in Bridgewater
  • UU Church of Haverhill
  • UU Fellowship of Waco
  • UU Congregation of the Quad Cities

Perhaps Mister Edgar should ‘eat his own words’ – or even bother to do some good himself, like volunteering for a worthy program in Montreal, rather than ranting and picketing and lashing out.

When All Else Fails,…

In Uncategorized on May 14, 2011 at 1:44 pm

Once again, Robin Edgar has nothing new to report or discuss.  So once again, he rehashes the same old tired complaints and accusations.  ‘I don’t like how these people treat me! Forget how I treat them – they should always be extra-super-nice to meeeee!  And if they don’t, I’m gonna tell on them!!!’

Poor baby…

His latest rant is to single out three Unitarian Universalist churches for ‘inhuman’ treatment of others.  Of course, he doesn’t specify what exactly these churches did; in the case of two of them, we have to wonder if he has even visisted them.  (Not that we are encouraging him to do so, considering what a ‘visit’ from Robin Edgar usually means!)  Let us take a closer look, shall we?

Unitarian Church of Montreal – The central target for Robin Edgar’s endless rage.  Their crime?  They would not kowtow to his increasing demands, and they refused to put up with his childish, outrageous behaviour.  They were, in fact quite patient with him, having suspended his membership twice before finally terminating his association with the church. Not to mention enduring his endless picketing and lashing out.

First Parish in Norwell – The only reason we can think that this church is a target is that its minister, Reverend Victoria Weinstein, has been in Robin Edgar’s crosshairs for years now, searching for even the flimsiest excuse to lash out against her yet again. So why attack the congregation? Apparently, it’s based on a quote from Reverend Weinstein, supposedly describing some of her parishioners. Forget that it’s taken completely out of context.  After all, the only ‘truth’ Robin Edgar is concerned about is his own narcissistic view that ‘U*Us are all bad bad bad because they won’t agree a hundred percent with me me me!

First Parish Church in Northborough – Now this is a strange one, indeed. Again, the only ‘inhuman’ activity related here are the crimes of Reverend Mack Mitchell, for which he is currently serving a prison sentence. But what of the church itself? Considering that his own parishioners turned him over to the authorities, isn’t that reason to commend them rather than condemn?  Oh, not for Robin Edgar, who so loves the idea of guilt by association to ‘prove’ his tired old assertion that ‘U*Us are bad bad bad!

It is becoming clear that the only purpose for Robin Edgar’s antics is to make UUs look bad, all out of a disturbed ‘need’ for vindication and vengeance. As Dr. Phil McGraw would say, ‘How’s that workin’ for ya?’  Doesn’t seem to be.  He’s gotten nowhere with persuading anybody in the UU movement to follow him, and his ideas for interfaith celebration have since petered out.

As we’ve pointed out before, doing the same thing over and over, with nothing to show for it, cannot be healthy.  You need professional help, Mister Edgar – and we don’t mean a public relations firm.  You need to see a qualified psychiatristnot somebody with a degree who will go along with what you think you want.  Please get the help you need, and get it now!

More Shameless Slander

In Uncategorized on March 31, 2011 at 11:51 pm

Robin Edgar must have some difficulty reading.  Either that, or he can’t think beyond a rigid and immature ‘black-and-white’ mentality.  This is evident in his constantly accusing UU minister and blogger Cynthia Cain of ‘demonizing and marginalizing Republicans.’  As he asserts in his latest blog post:

Rev. Cynthia P. Cain never said all mean people are Republicans; what she said was all Republicans were mean people…

Mister Edgar, she did not even say that.  She called out Republican Party leaders of mean-spirited and uncivil rhetoric.  Show us, please, where she said that all Republicans are mean people.

No surprise, however, that Robin Edgar stoops to such slander.  He can only think in the extremes of idealization and devaluation (and more of the latter than the former).  Say something he doesn’t like, and he resorts to hyperbole and sweeping generalization to devalue and denigrate you.  Especially when you are an ordained UU minister.

Nor will it help if, after making a questionable blog post, you decide to remove it.  No, then he accuses you of the manufactured transgression of ‘memory-holing,’ and treats you exactly the same as if you had left the blog post up – obsessively repeating the same accusations, insults, attacks and denigrations over and over and over and over and over again and again and again and again and again.

Mister Edgar, it doesn’t matter if you ‘paraphrase’ Horace Greeley.  Defamation is still defamation.  Distorting the facts goes against the UU principle of a free and responsible search for meaning and truth which you so claim to uphold.  More’s the pity that you refuse to see how unhealthy, counterproductive and dysfunctional your fixations, perseverations and angry rants really are.  We again implore you to seek professional help, as so many have recommended.

The Latest Accusation from Robin Edgar

In Uncategorized on March 31, 2011 at 8:02 am

Robin Edgar has hurled a variety of accusations and epithets at his numerous targets.  His most recent, borrowed from another UU blogger, is passive-aggressive.

As usual, he makes no bones about diagnosing Unitarian Universalists he disapproves of, but easily launches into a tirade when anybody even dares to ask if he might have psychological problems.  Not to mention the fallacious reasoning behind his use of the label.

Passive-aggressive people refuse to do what they are asked to do.  UU leaders are refusing to do what Robin Edgar asks of them.  Therefore, in Robin Edgar’s eyes, UU leaders are passive-agressive.

Setting aside the fact that there are other, perfectly legitimate reasons why different people refuse to do things, he’s missing the point that passive-aggressive individuals specifically resist authority.  So Robin Edgar has it backwards … or is incredibly arrogant in assuming that he should have authority over Peter Morales, Gini Courtier, William Sinkford, John Buhrens and anybody else whom he accuses of ‘mistreating’ him.

Even more interesting is when we look at other specific symptoms of passive-aggressive personalities, and see how many actually match of the behaviour of Robin Edgar himself.

The passive-aggressive create chaotic situations, and make excuses for their behaviour.  They constantly complain about being misunderstood and unappreciated, and exaggerate their sense of personal misfortune.  They have few intimates, often pushing them away with continual anger and mistrust.  Most important of all, the passive-aggressive always blame others, and never take responsibility for their own actions.

Still, just as UU leaders are not passive-aggressive because Robin Edgar projects one major trait on them, Robin Edgar is not necessarily passive-aggressive just because he seems to share some passive-aggressive traits.  But his negativity, hostility, rage and narcissistic need for attention are definitely cause for concern.  He is right when he says that others do not understand when he behaves the way he does … not only because of how counter-productive his behaviour is, but because he has utterly failed to learn how unproductive that behaviour is after so many, many years of repetitive lashing out.

Mister Edgar, whatever reasons you give for rationalizing your behaviour, it has not worked, and it will not work.  You need to learn how to do things differently.  You need to learn to let go of your rage, and to put yourself in the position of those many individuals whom you have been attacking and hurting over the years.  But your recalcitrance has convinced us that you cannot learn this yourself.  You need help.  Please get that help, before it’s too late.

Robin Edgar and the Seven Principles

In Uncategorized on March 25, 2011 at 10:56 pm

Robin Edgar has repeatedly put himself up as the judge of all Unitarian Universalist conduct, following such an extreme ‘counsel of perfection’ that nobody could possible live up to it.  Any deviation from his interpretation, and he goes on the warpath to denounce and denigrate them, and in the process declares that UUs are hypocritical.

What about Robin Edgar himself?  How well does he live up to these principles which he demands that everybody else live up to in such an absolute degree?

The inherent worth and dignity of every person.  Robin Edgar routinely insults people.  He does not merely say he disagrees with them, but calls them ‘stupid’, ‘morons’, ‘asshats’ and other derogatory terms.  He even brags that he’s deliberately rude and offensive, and uses outlandish excuses to rationalize such behaviour.

Justice, equity and compassion in human relations.  Robin Edgar has probably set a record for the number of misconduct complaints filed against UU ministers, insisting that the fact that he has declared their actions wrong is sufficient grounds for chastising and punishing them.  They include his claim that a minister has ‘demonized and marginalized ALL Republicans’ because she expressed dismay at the language used by some GOP leaders. And if the UUA will not follow through on his complaints?  Well, then they are guilty of complicity and must be similarly punished!  Apparently Mister Edgar believes he is to be the sole arbiter of justice, at least in UU matters.

Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations.   We wonder how picketing churches and meetings, and harassing those who enter them, encourages spiritual growth.  Not to mention questioning the Unitarian Church of Montreal’s right to provide free or reduced admission to university students at their events.

A free and responsible search for meaning and truth.  Robin Edgar has been playing fast and loose with the truth for years now, often using distortion and hyperbole to make his case.  We have already cited how he accuses UUs of a coverup which never happened.  Considering how he takes such an extreme approach (his views are beyond question, but woe unto anybody who dares to question him or offer contrary views) just how ‘free and responsible’ is that?

The right of conscience and the use of democratic process within our congregations and in society at large.  Robin Edgar does not believe that UU ministers have the right to express opinions which he finds objectionable (see above under second Principle).  Nor does he respect the right of a congregation’s membership to remove a disruptive individual from their ranks – at least when that individual is him.  So, at best, he believes in a selective application of this principle, where he selects when and how it will be applied.

We’ll leave it there for now, the point being clear.  Robin Edgar demands perfection from others, then plays fast and loose when it comes to how he lives by them.  If he wants to deal with ‘injustices, abuses and hypocrisy,’ then he clearly needs to start with himself.

How Robin Edgar Defamed the UUA

In Uncategorized on March 7, 2011 at 5:32 am

In our previous post, we mentioned (among other things) that Robin Edgar has resorted to defamation as part of his continual harassment of Unitarian Universalists.

We would anticipate that he would, once again, angrily insist on knowing how exactly he has defamed the UUA.  So we feel compelled to explain in advance.

Robin Edgar has repeatedly alleged that the UUA and its Ministerial Fellowship Committee engaged in a ‘cover-up’ regarding sexual assault charges against Reverend Mack Mitchell in 1991.

Not only was Mitchell reported to police in 1991 by members of his own Northborough church, and not only was the matter covered in news media, but the MFC promptly investigated the matter and voted to remove Mitchell from ministerial fellowship, as reported by the UUA’s Information Officer at the time.

So, Mister Edgar, where is this ‘cover-up’ of which you are alleging?  Did the UUA attempt to silence the press, or refuse to comment on the matter?  No, on both counts.  The press covered as they should, and the UUA reported that they followed their procedures for reviewing the evidence and removed Mitchell from their roster of ministers.

And yet, you have continued to accuse the UUA of a ‘cover-up’ in the matter.  The facts have been brought to your attention which contradict your accusation, and what do you do?  You persist in making the accusation.

That, sir, is defamation!

You can use whatever rationalizations you wish to justify such irresponsible statements, but the fact remains that you made a baseless allegation calculated to discredit a group, and when once made aware of the facts to the contrary, refuse to retract your statement and indeed keep repeating it.

Robin Edgar tries to position himself as the moral judge for Unitarian Universalist ministers and leaders.  His hypocritical actions demonstrate that he has no business doing so.

Dissent Versus Harassment

In Uncategorized on March 7, 2011 at 5:07 am

Well, at least Robin Edgar is not claiming to speak for ‘victims’ of UU ‘injustices, abuses and hypocrisies.’  Now his latest complaint is about his ‘peaceful public protest’ being ‘silenced’ by the Unitarian Church of Montreal calling the police.

As reported before by a member of the UCM, the Montreal police were the ones who advised the local church to call them whenever he harassed them.

Robin Edgar now wants his repeated lashing out at the UCM, at UU ministers, and indeed at UUs everywhere, to be a form of ‘dissent’ instead of what it really is: harassment, pure and simple.

Dissenters have a point to get across.  Harassers simply attack their targets for the sake of attacking them, and any message they might have had becomes lost in the process.  Robin Edgar has been attacking so often and for so long, it has caused scores of individuals all over to ask him why he keeps doing it (and he keeps telling them to go look for themselves, or goes on yet another long tirade about how he was abused by ‘obnoxious’ UUs, all the while neglecting to mention his own abusive and obnoxious behaviour).

The goal of dissent is to get those with whom you disagree to listen and make changes, or to call on other to pressure those into doing so.  The goal of harassment is to shame, humiliate and intimidate, with no clear goal in sight.  Robin Edgar has not merely ‘disagreed’ with UUs but has resorted to personal attacks, verbal abuse, deliberately offensive behaviour, and even outright defamation; but whenever asked to state what he hopes to accomplish, the only clear answer he’s given has been for a dispute now over a decade past to be reviewed yet again, and to be found in his favour simply because he refuses to even consider that he might be wrong.

Unitarian Universalists welcome healthy disagreement.  It is what brought our faith movement into existence.  That is a far cry, however, from the blatantly disagreeable conduct of Robin Edgar, which has persisted for far too long.